judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.
imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.
by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.
Im pretty sure this fine isnt in perpetuity. At some point they would be found in contempt. The purpose of the fine is to force action. If nothing happens it will escalate.
I do have a question though......has this 1997 document ever leaked to us? Seems like the kind of thing that would have.
there's simply no way to honestly deny that the ot condones genocide, slavery and misogyny.
there are too many passage showing yahweh commanding his people to wipe out this nation and that nation - women and innocent children included!
it leaves us with a god who wrote a book that very, very, very much seems like it condones genocide, but it doesn't, etc.. what kind of god does that?
Well written. I agree. Its very hard to circle this square.
Would you be willing to attach the scriptural refferences for the accounts you use to illustrate your point? You may have them handy. If not, i can research and grab em.
Let me know.
i just frightened a jehovah’s witness lady half out of her wits!.
i just frightened a sweet jehovah’s witness lady half out of her wits.... .
she took off like a sprinter at the sound of a starter pistol!.
Poor lady. You knew the word cult would put her out of her misery.
what i'm looking for specifically is things that are "pagan" in the sense they predate christianity (or i guess judiasm to cover the ole mosaic code), that jw's allow or do.
the ones that come to mind are below.. rings - rings seem to originate in egypt.
for wedding ceremonies it became a symbol of "ownership" in rome.. pinatas - looks like possibly it originated in china as a part of the new year and a request for luck, and catholics later turned it into a beating of temptation type thing.. anything else?.
Luaus. Good one. Neckties....still trying to figure that out.
Orphan Crow, I agree, but that might be a jump for my audience.
My attempt here is to take things they shun due to it being "pagan" (ie: Pre-christian), and point out the inconsistancies because other things that are pagan are allowed such as.......
In doing so my hope is then to ask who decides what is pagan but ok, and what is pagan but forbidden? Why are they not allowed to decide? A list of these items would be helpful so I want to tap the minds here.
Blondie, I did a search but didn't get far.
this was my starting point in this journey of rediscovery, and i've made great strides, but here i am again asking the same question.
all this talk re the rc and the shunning of the inactive ones.
there is no announcement made obviously about "shun sister so-and-so, as she is inactive.
My statis is inactive.....but the people I care about know i dont intend on returning. Some even kind of know why.
I feel like the best way to explain it is a quarantine. Its a quarantine and they are doing it with loaded language.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-no5-2016-september/david-versus-goliath-real/.
the article ends with this:.
there is no real basis for doubting the truthfulness of this historical account.
Ttdtt,
Did you catc the chapter about childrens leukemia and blood transfusions? I mean.......the areogance of JWs claiming blood is simply bad medicine. It fills me with rage.
what i'm looking for specifically is things that are "pagan" in the sense they predate christianity (or i guess judiasm to cover the ole mosaic code), that jw's allow or do.
the ones that come to mind are below.. rings - rings seem to originate in egypt.
for wedding ceremonies it became a symbol of "ownership" in rome.. pinatas - looks like possibly it originated in china as a part of the new year and a request for luck, and catholics later turned it into a beating of temptation type thing.. anything else?.
I love this!
I would also add geoomsmen and bridesmaids........they were supposed to confuse possible hoarders or something?
Platers is awesome
Lisa rose, explain neckties and flying kites por favor.
Ugh. Common sense anyone?
We all are varying degrees or good or bad, bit comparing johad extremism with less lets say......violent forms of belief.....is not productive IMO.
this video is hilarious, had to share - skip to 12:20 .
https://youtu.be/nelt0zhl2og.
Good video. I like the added touches. A tiny bit more wordsmithing on the substance, and maybe 10 min. That is the,sweet spot. 40-60 min videos (unless its a JC on tape) are for the birds. Who has time?
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-no5-2016-september/david-versus-goliath-real/.
the article ends with this:.
there is no real basis for doubting the truthfulness of this historical account.
Malcom Gladwel had a book entitled David and Goliath. He doesnt question the actual account, but suggests there are good reasons to believe Goliath wasnt all that. That he too has the same pituitary gland disorder which can also cause diplopia (double vision), which would explain why Goliath says "so you come to me with sticks" (plural), when david only has his staff. Also, he had a shield bearer, which would possibly indicate some other restrictions related to that disorder. I cant think of the name.
His point is more about how seeming advantages can be disadvantages, and vice versa, using this story as a set off point with things not being as lopsided as they may have seemed. It was pretty interesting.
